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Post by Peblo on Apr 16, 2003 9:12:00 GMT
anyone got a new updated one? or is ghanimX's still valid? i have heard that paldin changed the class due to the fact so many figured out the numbers right after the class was made
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Post by Machine on May 15, 2003 15:53:30 GMT
If there *IS* a good shapeshifter's time/exp needed per form list, I'd REEEEEEEEEALLY like to see it. Mainly worried about the time. Exp isn't a problem for me. But, I've put in well over 16 hours into xaerre3 form, and I still can't fucking learn xaerre4. It was bad enough x2 to x3 took 12 hours in form. I mean, fuckingA, it's not like after investing so much time I'm allowed to trans and zap stuff, so wtf is the point in having it so ridiculously time consuming. I'm completely baffled. x1 to x2 - 4? hours, x2 - x3 - 12 hours... wtf x4 require? 36h? then x5 96? Gimme a fucking break.
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Post by Notanalt on May 15, 2003 16:13:04 GMT
*gasp*
A class that you can't powerlevel your way through! The horror!
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Post by Machine on May 15, 2003 19:42:22 GMT
I wasn't looking to powerlevel. Had I wanted to, I could've. I could've just stayed orc, and bashed and been L19 in a few days. But, I didn't. I killed SE Isle ants for about a month, until I got xaerre. Once I got xaerre, I started to actually party and go quicker. That's not my point.
My point is, if you would've taken the time to read my note rather then just blast me, that the time in form is hideously "balanced", especially for the outcome of all that time invested.
Shapewanker says: Yay!! A 40 damage claw attack once every 3 rounds for 20 SPs!! And It only took my 10 RL days to obtain it!
Bigfighter says: Yay!! A 40 damage massacre that happens about once every 10 rounds, followed up by constant 20+ damage bonecrushes, making your damage potential seem humorous. And it only took me 2 days to get my skill that high. You idiot.
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Post by Moriyokiwi on May 15, 2003 19:43:43 GMT
yeah! eat that sucka!
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Post by Notanalt on May 15, 2003 20:20:04 GMT
I just find it extraordinarily humorous that the moment something can't do 'x' damage and kill 'x' monster it suddenly becomes stupid and unbalanced.
Perhaps you've figured out the mud isn't only geared towards those who wish to make 250k/hr with every character they have.
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Post by Machine on May 16, 2003 5:34:20 GMT
And again, you assume something that is beyond the subject.
A shapeshifter can do alot of damage, and could kill anything any other class can. I solo Hawkeye for a sturdy ring, that's good enough for me.
So, once more, let me try to spell out my issue a LITTLE more clearer... in order for a shapeshifter to be worth a grain of salt, heaps of time is required to be invested, and even then after that time is invested, the outcome is pretty weak. You wanna sit around in flower form all day, fine with me. Just give me xaerre form, trim some of the time required off, because you gain NOTHING after xaerre1 up to xaerre5. "You get a bigger claw" Big fucking deal. I find it very unfair and ridiculous to ask of a person to spend so much time learning something, only to turn around and give them almost nothing.
If you see nothing wrong with that, you like wasting your time and you should wiz and apply for unBalance.
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Post by Machine on May 16, 2003 5:42:18 GMT
And quite frankly, I thought this forum was to share information and ideas about Ancient Anguish, not to flame people. So quit wasting my time, and everyone elses, thinking we're about to read something cool, only to find another note from you "making fun of me" because of my style of playing. If you really want to flame me, there's a Flame Board on AA, and seeings as you know so much about everything not relating to combat/exp/skills you should know where it is. So go there, and pick from any of my alts... Machine, Juggernaut, Tribal, or Permanence... and let loose there.
I kinda enjoyed having a board with a friendly atmosphere to it, used for having fun and sharing info... not flaming.
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Post by Peblo on May 16, 2003 5:57:13 GMT
i agree with Machine, i think the idea of this board was not to flame.... So Shtyrack stfu with that BS
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Post by The Abyss on May 19, 2003 18:52:32 GMT
now now:) keep it clean, I dont want anyone coming here getting flamed or what-not. use the AA flame board for that!!
FF - only gone for a few days and the place is falling apart:)
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Post by Notanalt on May 20, 2003 18:39:32 GMT
No, my point wasn't really to merely flame you. But rather to point out that your viewpoint of the game isn't the only one shared by everyone else.
There are many who enjoy being a shapeshifter 'because' of the waiting, the idling, the time requirements. Not everyone builds their enjoyment of a class merely on experience and it's ability to kill.
Perhaps my understanding of this board was not clear then. Is this place ONLY for discussion on exp/skills/combat? If so then I shall leave you all to it. While I enjoy that aspect of the game as well, there is, surprisingly, a whole heck of a lot more to the game then just that. My only point was that just because the shapeshifter class doesn't fit into your mold of what makes a good class, doesn't mean that it isn't. Just that you don't enjoy it.
Personally I can't stand playing a shifter, the time requirements bother me as well, I don't enjoy that aspect of it. To some players though, the fact that a class can eat bugs and have neat feelings based on shape is far more important then the fact that it can't advance without the time constraints.
My first post was not a flame but rather a tongue in cheek observation based on the type of player you are. My second post was in reply to your reply.
I am merely pointing out that not everyone thinks the samer as you, perhaps that is why the class is 'different'.
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Post by Machine on May 21, 2003 16:45:42 GMT
I'm not trying to prolong this thread or argument, or anything, but I'd like to hear one person honestly admit they *LIKE*, not tolerate, not understand, not deal with.... but actually enjoy and like the time that's required to advance.
"Hrmm, I'm only here at the grocery store to buy a gallon of milk. I'm waiting in a checkout line behind 3 families that look to be shopping for the upcoming month. Oh, look, the Express Line is empty, and the cashier is waving me over... naaaaah. What's the rush?"
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Post by Notanalt on May 21, 2003 17:12:52 GMT
Having read the recent posts on the cleric board I can see this is a pointless discussion. Most people involved with posting here are the very same involved in the discussion on the cleric board.
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Post by CalviN on May 21, 2003 18:14:12 GMT
Aww... but I enjoy your posts, and value your opinion! Your posts on this topic will be missed. No, really.
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Post by Machine on May 22, 2003 0:32:37 GMT
Wait, don't go. I was just about to prove you 100% wrong. C'mon, seriously. Before you instantly mature and quit arguing, show me someone who REALLYFUKKENLOVES to wait on things. Seriously.
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