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Post by killcrazy on May 21, 2004 20:10:08 GMT
After a few practise parties, I'm now making 300k an hour with another drakon and breaking even. I only started tanking a few months ago, and it's really the strength of the combination that is getting me the figures. I'm guessing more experienced players could make some very nice figures with this.
I know a lot of people on the forum dislike shifters, but two tanks with built-in weightless star-armour and 75+ damage breath attacks isn't to be laughed it.
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Post by tehlung on May 21, 2004 20:46:49 GMT
the high lizard/cat forms aren't my problem with shifters. its the 500 forms and 800 hours in between idling, spamming other players with bulbous eyes/meows/etc, and not being able to carry things that gets on my nerves.
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Post by Aurac on May 22, 2004 4:31:29 GMT
its the 500 forms and 800 hours in between idling Only idiots idle. Just go fight. And to get to a high form, it's only, what, 18 forms? Opossum 3, cat 5, panther 5, xaerre 5. Or replace cat/panther/xaerre with chameleon/nelitos/drakon. spamming other players with bulbous eyes/meows/etc You can turn sfeels off. and not being able to carry things that gets on my nerves. Switch to a form that can carry when you need to. Opossum works great for the early forms. They even get a carrying capacity boost. Then Xaerre and Drakon can carry stuff. Wuss. =) --Aurac
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Post by IvanHood on May 22, 2004 14:00:11 GMT
How do you fight in rock or flower form? And with the xp getting the powerplayers will pull in, they will be FORCED to play a weaker form for ages, because they need time in form... Killing in cat form 2 because of needing more time is pretty suck. Switch to a form that can carry is pretty useless in a party, when you need speed. Takes to long (and alot of xp) to go from panther/nelitos to opossum and back) And the two high forms need to carry heals, a fighter don't. And it doesn't help that YOU can turn them off, when its all the other players that use them, that pisses you off
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Post by Aurac on May 22, 2004 18:31:15 GMT
How do you fight in rock or flower form? And with the xp getting the powerplayers will pull in, they will be FORCED to play a weaker form for ages, because they need time in form... Killing in cat form 2 because of needing more time is pretty suck. Why would you fight in rock form? It's part of the basic clan. Skip rock and frog altogether. For flower, you can use opossum to xp and heal in flower. It's slightly longer than cat/chameleon, but not as bad. Same with tree. Also, once you get panther, for instance, you can use panther to get time in cat. Remember that higher forms do give you time in the lower forms. Lastly, nobody in their right mind would try to pull in high xp in parties until panther/nelitos 5 or xaerre/drakon, so doing so in cat/chameleon is stupid. My human feline shifter got Xaerre 1 at about L14-15, which is the perfect time to start partying with him. Switch to a form that can carry is pretty useless in a party, when you need speed. Takes to long (and alot of xp) to go from panther/nelitos to opossum and back) And the two high forms need to carry heals, a fighter don't. Again, by the time you -need- to carry stuff -in- a party, you'll be able to with Xaerre or Drakon. Until then, you'll want to solo to get your forms up quickly, and opossum does the trick for hauling loot to the shops. And it doesn't help that YOU can turn them off, when its all the other players that use them, that pisses you off Well, going by Lunger's wording, he seemed to be worried about himself spamming others. And that's beside the point that spamming is a matter of personal preference. Spam is unwanted communication, so if Lunger wasn't such an ass to people (*grin*), then he wouldn't consider sfeels spam. Lunger: Other players has nothing to do with you yourself playing one. So shut up and go play one! I'd actually like to see what you could pull down with a shifter. I'm sure Machine wouldn't mind raising another shifter to duo with you on. =) edit: Other players have... I mean. Friggin sounded like a Danish w.h.o.r.e just then. --Aurac
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Post by killcrazy on May 22, 2004 20:39:45 GMT
Aurac: Higher forms don't give you time in lower forms. There's also a difference between making good experience, and making experience faster than you can raise the forms.
Ivan: The point about high-end form bashers needing to carry heals seems off. The same would apply to a paladin basher, and breath is nicer than smite if a basher is just using smokes.
Disclaimer: Rapid firing smite is very effective and I rarely outclaim paladins on demonic kills.
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Post by Aurac on May 23, 2004 0:39:21 GMT
Aurac: Higher forms don't give you time in lower forms. I seem to recall moving from cat 3 to cat 4 after having spent time in panther 1 and 2 and zero time in cat 3. There's also a difference between making good experience, and making experience faster than you can raise the forms. And you somehow lose the surplus experience? I think not. Just go fight and quit idling. If someone plans to max all forms, then they can idle in rock and flower, while making use of the surplus experience to quickly raise those forms they can't make experience in. As I've posted on the shifter board before, I'm quite against idling and all the whininess that goes on with some shifters wanting accomidations for their idling. It's not a requirement of the class other than flower. There's no reason to keep the experience pool and time pool in sync. On another note, this whole thread is about Lunger's dislike for the class. Yet some of the things that have been said basically down the class for not being a powerplayer's dream straight out of the box. And of course it isn't. Expecting it to be is just stupid. I know Machine can rock the class, as can you, KC. I would like to hear about Lunger trying a powerplayer shifter, if he hasn't already. I'm sure he's tried a shifter in general, but I'm specifically referring to trying to max out on the class's potential, which we all know he's good at. The same goes for Calvin. Your 300k/hr and breaking even with another shifter sounds damn nice. Just curious, but is that other shifter Serin? I saw some of your posts about you and he testing things out. --Aurac
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Post by Newt on May 23, 2004 7:59:09 GMT
Aurac: Your time in panther can't help your time in cat, but your time in cat 1 -can- help your time in cat 2, 3, and 4. Are you sure you didn't already meet the time requirement?
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Post by Moot on May 23, 2004 15:31:05 GMT
As far as I remember you can get time for the first load of shapes with the second lot - e.g. you can spend time as a panther and use that time to advance cat.
I never heard of anyone doing it with xaerre->panther or drakon->nelitos though.
Moot
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Post by tehlung on May 23, 2004 15:38:27 GMT
too tired to quote..mumble hangover and beer/bbq farts.
kc said There's also a difference between making good experience, and making experience faster than you can raise the forms.
thats my problem. when i'm ready to start taking on the easier 1k kills, i can't carry the heals to them, or use half of them because i can't carry them even if i shifted back to carry them there, dropped them, and then shifted to mid form.
kcagain Again, by the time you -need- to carry stuff -in- a party, you'll be able to with Xaerre or Drakon. Until then, you'll want to solo to get your forms up quickly, and opossum does the trick for hauling loot to the shops.
i need to carry loot all the time, starting at level 1. shifting back and forth between kills is wasting sps and not fun, sorry.
aurac said I would like to hear about Lunger trying a powerplayer shifter, if he hasn't already
i've tried three shifters. all of them made it to level 11 before i got sick of only being able to kill on se isle because i can't carry heals to keep my sps up to stay in form.
kc said Well, going by Lunger's wording, he seemed to be worried about himself spamming others. And that's beside the point that spamming is a matter of personal preference. Spam is unwanted communication, so if Lunger wasn't such an ass to people (*grin*), then he wouldn't consider sfeels spam.
well, i didn't know you could turn that junk off. though it is a pet peeve of mine when i go out for a cig break, go to a room to idle, and random lame shifter #526 walks in, shifts through 8 forms and 2 screens of shifting, then glares around the room bulbous eyes etc.
i'm not that big of an ass to people. it's just to discourage getting tells from 8 people everytime they see me with an undead. "HAY CAN U TANK FOR ME??!?!?!?!?!?! LEVL 14 PANTHAR WITH 24 UNARMORED." you won't understand unless you played a necro in revenant days and to a certain extent nowadays.
ivan said And with the xp getting the powerplayers will pull in, they will be FORCED to play a weaker form for ages, because they need time in form... Killing in cat form 2 because of needing more time is pretty suck.
that pretty much sums up the reason i don't want to waste my time raising a shifter. if i could play a cleric to level 19, then switch classes to xaerre that'd be one thing.
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Post by killcrazy on May 23, 2004 17:28:04 GMT
Lunger:I only said the top one. The rest is all Aurac.
Setting the default for autofeelings to off and letting scythe shifters toggle feelings off (currently it just toggles their line) is going to be bought up next MC meeting. Currently when you change out of form and back it toggles the autofeelings back on again, so it's easy to miss.
Aurac: Yessy, with Serin. He's even newer to tanking than I am, but he's a superb basher.
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Post by sinister on May 23, 2004 18:05:06 GMT
Why the hell are you guys spamming the "recent proboards" with this shifter crap
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Post by Aurac on May 23, 2004 20:00:12 GMT
too tired to quote..mumble hangover and beer/bbq farts. *xlaugh* thats my problem. when i'm ready to start taking on the easier 1k kills, i can't carry the heals to them, or use half of them because i can't carry them even if i shifted back to carry them there, dropped them, and then shifted to mid form. So change your way of playing? I couldn't "play normal" until L16 with Xaerre 1. And I screwed off on my shifter forms, so you could get Xaerre 1 earlier than I did. i need to carry loot all the time, starting at level 1. shifting back and forth between kills is wasting sps and not fun, sorry. SP cost for shifting in and out of form only really hurts you with panther at/around L10ish. But by then, I was on SE Isle in the tree/healing hut, so I didn't need to worry about loot. And if I did kill the fat warrior a few times, I just stashed his ally armour in the tree and then lugged it back as a human on the boat when I was all done. i've tried three shifters. all of them made it to level 11 before i got sick of only being able to kill on se isle because i can't carry heals to keep my sps up to stay in form. Well, I think you'd have fun with a 19 shifter with xaerre or drakon 5 and powerpartying with Machine. Your problem might be that you have zero patience, you're walking into the class already disliking it, and you're expecting power by L11. Just play the class as it's intended up to 19, then unleash the fury. well, i didn't know you could turn that junk off. though it is a pet peeve of mine when i go out for a cig break, go to a room to idle, and random lame shifter #526 walks in, shifts through 8 forms and 2 screens of shifting, then glares around the room bulbous eyes etc. This has nothing to do with your hating the class. It has to do with you hating "spam". This is evident in your aliases to squelch a long list of people each time you log in. =) So suck it up and go raise a shifter, damnit. Take your time. When it gets too irritating, just log out and come back to it when you're not so irritated anymore. i'm not that big of an ass to people. it's just to discourage getting tells from 8 people everytime they see me with an undead. "HAY CAN U TANK FOR ME??!?!?!?!?!?! LEVL 14 PANTHAR WITH 24 UNARMORED." you won't understand unless you played a necro in revenant days and to a certain extent nowadays. I've been there. I nicely turned people down left and right. Many people had this off-the-wall idea that I was a good tank. Not sure where they got that idea. that pretty much sums up the reason i don't want to waste my time raising a shifter. if i could play a cleric to level 19, then switch classes to xaerre that'd be one thing. Oh well. I guess we'll never see what teh Lung can rape and pillage with a L19 shifter. All because he's too easily annoyed. =) *tickle* --Aurac
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Post by Aurac on May 23, 2004 20:07:19 GMT
Aurac: Your time in panther can't help your time in cat, but your time in cat 1 -can- help your time in cat 2, 3, and 4. Are you sure you didn't already meet the time requirement? Negative Ghostrider, as far as I recall, I didn't spend one second more in cat form than I needed to get panther 1. I was in panther from then on, and was still able to raise up to cat 4 after I spent time in panther 1 and 2. I remember raising to cat 4 because I wanted to get to panther 4. I think that each shifter may have four time pools. One for basic clan, one for feline, reptile, and forest. I'd imagine that any form could make use of the time in its respective pool. And I believe that there is only one xp pool. Now, some people think that you have to be in -a- form to raise the xp pool, but I think that that might not be true. Try running CX with a brand new shifter in human/elf/dwarf/orc form and then try to advance to opossum 2. Make sure you've spent time in opossum 1, of course, but make sure to get xp in your natural form. Then see if it'll let you advance witht he xp you made out of form. That's one thing I forgot to test. =) --Aurac
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Post by killcrazy on May 23, 2004 20:38:58 GMT
I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.
I've started a new shifter recently. I got him to chameleon 3, then built up to nelitos 3. I was still on the first time message for chameleon. So I advanced that, and learnt drakon. He's now on drakon 3, and still on the first time message for nelitos.
The chances are you already had enough time to learn cat 4. There's no way of knowing much time you have until you've got enough exp.
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