DarkTides
Bonebreaker
"The trick is to not think of it as YOUR money" - IRS Auditor
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Post by DarkTides on Jun 23, 2003 22:46:26 GMT
Ok guys, I've attempted 3 rogues thus far, it seems now that we can' run around hiding and shooting areas with pure success that it takes some hard trials to get a rogue to 19. I have been told by most that a rogue by level 10 should have around 40-50 rapier, ok 50 if they are on top of there game, 40 is decent. Right now I'm 3rd attempt of a orc rogue I'm level 9 and only 26 rapier. I don't see what I'm doing wrong, but once I get around 7+ I just don't ever skill as quickly. My progression I tried was Dart to 10, which went fairly quickly, then 10-15 I used Stick, 15-18 I used Needle, 18-25 Ceremonial, and now I'm bugbear's, They all are evaling as ps during the skill, I'm just still not sure what my issue is. I've tried killing mass orcs lately, just tripping em all, then I tried ants for awhile. If the question is too pathetic you guys don't gotta answer, but this is becoming a plague to me.
Thanks Fellas,
[glow=navy,5,300]Rossak[/glow]
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Post by CalviN on Jun 24, 2003 16:59:41 GMT
Yes, it's you. You can't expect to get that level of skills in that short a timeframe killing little orcs and ants. You'll get to 25-30 maybe, and when you're level 3-4, killing those little wimpy NPCs will get you skills... but no way are you going to hit 50.
Gaining skills is a combination of things. It's based on how much damage you do to the NPCs with your weapon, how good that weapon is for your skill level/str/dex, what your dex/int is, and what the level of your opponent NPC is relative to your level.
From what I've read in your post, you've got the PS weapon for your lvl/str/dex, you're doing the damage to the NPCs, and I'm assuming you're keeping your dex and int up as high as you can get them... but you're killing NPCs that are lower in level than you are. That pretty much negates the other factors.
Tripping the NPCs lowers their dex relative to yours, and their overall AC (how tough their natural armour and any worn armour is). This makes you do way more damage to them than normal, which is a -good- thing for skills. However, if you're tripping something that you can kill normally, and walk away from the keyboard to get a drink without worrying... it ain't gonna do much for your skills.
So... that being said, my suggestion to you is: Kill tougher NPCs!!! Pick NPCs that are higher level than yourself, but have relatively little armour. For example, the Thanes and Sergeants and Guards in Burnham woods are the perfect -level- for you to kill and get MAD skills on as a level 9, but because of their enormous amounts of armour, relative to their level, you're never going to hit them enough to skill. If you can find NPCs that are higher in level than you are, that you can successfully trip once in a while, but aren't wearing armour, and don't use dodge defense.... you're going to see your skills rocket.
Hope that sheds some light on your problem.
Oh, and by the way... unless you're dead set on doing it solo, your skill only matters to get you to level 10. You can -easily- hit lvl 10 with 15 rapier killing in the ghost ship. Heck, you'll probably hit 25 just from that... Then you can just get a fighter to party with you, and have them use a skill and weapon that does decent damage. They'll make things dead quicklike, while you can wear the armour and parry the crap out of everything. You'll get a few skills along the way, and your exp will go up a LOT faster than it would solo. Then when you start hitting the lvl 14 range, and have lvl 19 bashers doing massive damage... your skills won't really matter that awful much anyways, but they'll start really going up, because you'll be killing lvl 19 npcs as a lvl 14.
(Of course, I usually try to get a fighter with decent skill around lvl 9-10, and take out the easy lvl 19 NPCs then. Nothing like getting 2-3 skills on one kill. ;D )
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Post by Visitor on Jun 24, 2003 18:17:36 GMT
The previous post sounds good in theory but its hard for a nameless rogue to get level 19 fighters to bash for you let alone good ones. Unless you just happen to be an alternate of one of the AA gods of fighting.
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DarkTides
Bonebreaker
"The trick is to not think of it as YOUR money" - IRS Auditor
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Post by DarkTides on Jun 24, 2003 21:26:27 GMT
To the Visitor: Well, those who would be bashing for me would be around my level range, me being level 9, would stop the entire situation even if I could get one of the greats(old men), to bash for me. Calvin: I see what your saying now though, Moriyo told me the same thing last night after I posted that. I got a little confused on whether or not I'm really supposed to kill thane's and sergeants, but I'll give them a try tonight when I get home. One of moriyo's suggestions started putting out skills real nice last night and those were sentries from hermie's area. What got me into this situation, is I was looking at a lot of webpages, seeing where people my level should kill, and not thinking of actually what would give mea challenge. This has also invigorated me with a new found thrill of tripping and fighting things that normally beat the life out of me. Thanks
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Post by CalviN on Jun 25, 2003 18:10:07 GMT
Glad to help out, Rossak. Visitor... I know what you mean about finding a fighter that will bash... but I go thru this all the time. I don't usually announce who I am to the world when I'm playing one of my little alts. Half the fun of playing a newbie alt is seeing the shock on the bashers faces when the numbers start popping up. I usually just shout every 15-20 minutes, ask on the guild line for whichever guild I'm in, check the party board, find a fighter and ask him/her to do a who class and give me a list of all the fighters online, etc. One thing you have to remember, when you're playing a lowbie, is that the basher barely has to know how to read. *grin* all they have to have is a decent amount of skill in some weapon class, a decent weapon for said skill, and the ability to hit a dotimes 100 assist tank alias. Getting heals and eq might be asking too much, but oh well. I know you can't expect a "good" basher to bash for you if you're some unknown newbie, but there are a lot of actual newbie bashers out there that are having trouble finding a party. It kind of works both ways... Besides, a lvl 16 fighter with maxxed dex/str/con and 70 club skill does just as much damage as a lvl 19 fighter with maxxed stats and 70 club skill. You don't have to try for uber speed, either. Just killing a 9k kill or three at lvl 9 is enough to jack you up pretty darn fast. The wonderful thing about playing at lower levels is, each big kill you make actually makes a noticable increase in your character. 4500 exp per kill, when each stat is 2-3000 exp to raise, actually makes a difference! *shrug*
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Post by Pillar on Jun 25, 2003 19:14:39 GMT
here's my take on playing alts that no one knows: let your actions speak louder than your words. i don't care who your alts are, i don't care who you know, blow, etc. just bash well. if i notice you are good, i will say something to other tanks and let them know that you are a decent basher. the reverse also holds true: if you suck, i'm going to tell people about it and your chances of bashing for a decent tank are diminished greatly.
just bash to the best of your abililty. just make sure you are having fun doing it.
love ya, p
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DarkTides
Bonebreaker
"The trick is to not think of it as YOUR money" - IRS Auditor
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Post by DarkTides on Jun 25, 2003 21:04:56 GMT
so are we suggesting now that at level 9 I should attempt 9ks? I mean, that sounds a little costly, I believe a level 9 could take a 9k npc fairly easily like riognach possibly fairy queen (easily compared to the tougher 9ks), but it would cost a lot for the heals n such, 3ks and 6ks though I can see where your point is coming from. I've been doing some tagging lately and finding anything that whoop my ass that I can trip.
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DarkTides
Bonebreaker
"The trick is to not think of it as YOUR money" - IRS Auditor
Posts: 33
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Post by DarkTides on Jun 25, 2003 21:06:15 GMT
didn't notice pillar's reply, and just wanted to tell you pillar that 1) We were talking about tanking more then bashing, or I believe that was the main topic. But I appreciate the "constructive threat" ?
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Post by Lanstro on Apr 16, 2004 11:04:13 GMT
40-50 rapier by lvl 10? What a waste of time
Have 25ish by then, get yourself a sack of smokes/meds, a boomerang or two, and make round trips of the following kills, tripping as much as you possibly can (alert off): burnham messengers and soldiers nepeth tower guards and man of the house, trent star caverns packrats Andeli squire and unarmed knights
All money kills, all skillin kills. Just buy some food and drink at eastroad inn or other food outlet every time you have to go back to town to sell up, guaranteed at least a skill every 10 minutes.
I prefer to work myself another skill (curved, club, mms or longsword) at level 10ish anyway
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